luxury house with sea view for sale Shawnigan Lake, Canada

A rare waterfront offering set on over five acres with over 650 feet of waterfrontage with a private dock, valuable foreshore lease, and deep-water moorage, providing direct access to the calm, protected waters of Finlayson Arm for year-round boating and fishing. Perched above the inlet, this private gated estate captures breathtaking ocean, mountain, and rugged West Coast views from an extraordinary vantage point. Thoughtfully designed to harmonize with its natural surroundings, the custom-built contemporary residence blends refined modern luxury with the serenity of coastal living. Over 4,600 square feet of beautifully finished living space, the home features five bedrooms and six bathrooms, expansive windows that frame the dramatic landscape, and generous living areas designed for both elegant entertaining and relaxed everyday living. Outdoors, a pool, hot tub, and outdoor shower create a private resort-like retreat overlooking the spectacular natural beauty of the inlet. An exceptional West Coast sanctuary.

The Pinnacle of Saanich Inlet Waterfront Exclusivity Immerse yourself in a sophisticated narrative of coastal luxury at this expansive west-facing estate, gracefully positioned on the warm, serene waters of the Saanich Inlet. Surrounded by a rich tapestry of ancient Garry oaks, arbutus, and cedars, this custom residence redefines contemporary West Coast architecture. Designed for an effortless indoor-outdoor lifestyle, the home's interiors are bathed in natural light. Oversized skylights and soaring wood-clad vaulted ceilings draw the eye upward, while expansive sliding glass doors seamlessly erase the boundary between the elegant living spaces and the coastal landscape. At the heart of the home lies a superb gourmet kitchen, flowing harmoniously into the dining and family rooms—an ideal layout for grand-scale entertaining. Step outside to discover a sun-drenched stone patio and an inviting screened-in porch, offering front-row seats to spectacular evening sunsets. An elegant curved staircase descends to the lower level, revealing a media room framed by coffered ceilings, alongside a private gym, games area, and the comfort of geothermal radiant floor heating. The opulent primary suite serves as a tranquil retreat, boasting spa-like ensuites, a warming fireplace, and a private waterfront patio. Beyond the main residence, the estate's exceptional amenities cater to the maritime enthusiast. A private boat dock and a dedicated oceanfront boathouse with an extended deck provide immediate access to the inlet’s calm waters. The sprawling grounds also feature a charming caretaker cottage, a substantial workshop perfect for storing recreational vehicles, and extensive garaging. Despite its supreme privacy, this sanctuary remains well-connected, situated moments from the airport, ferries, and local conveniences. Elevate your lifestyle in this uncompromising masterpiece.

Foreign Buyer Ban and Foreign Buyer Tax Exempt!!! Welcome to an exceptional custom-built waterfront residence in the prestigious gated community of Arbutus Ridge. Thoughtfully designed for effortless aging in place, this stunning 2,640 sq.ft. home offers comfortable main-level living while providing generous space for family and guests on the lower level. Perfectly positioned on coveted Marine Drive, one of the community's rare waterfront locations, the home enjoys breathtaking, unobstructed 180-degree ocean views. Expansive entertainment-sized decks on both levels invite year-round enjoyment, including a spectacular upper deck complete with an automatic awning. The main floor showcases an outstanding chef's kitchen with premium appliances, rich oak flooring, soaring ceilings, extensive Pella windows and doors, integrated Sonos audio, custom window coverings, sophisticated lighting zones with dedicated art lighting, and a hidden TV lift system for seamless living and entertaining. The luxurious primary suite features a spa-inspired ensuite with heated floors, a spacious dressing room, and conveniently integrated laundry. A beautiful office with double French doors opening to a sunny west-facing courtyard offers flexibility as a second main-floor bedroom. The walk-out lower level is ideal for guests, featuring a large family room, two bedrooms, a full bath with heated floors, rough-ins for a second laundry, and a stunning glass sunroom with fully opening doors that blur the line between indoor and outdoor living. Additional highlights include extra-wide doorways, a double garage, heat pump, two gas fireplaces, and exceptional attention to detail throughout. This is a rare opportunity to enjoy elegant waterfront living, spectacular views, and a thoughtfully designed home that combines luxury, comfort, and ease of living.

A prime waterfront property situated in the Ardmore neighbourhood, this 1960s loving home is nestled among multi-million dollar estates in North Saanich. The private 0.61 acre lot slopes gently to over 100 feet of low bank waterfront, and provides easy access for canoeing, kayaking, and summertime beach fun all at your back door. Situated on a quiet cul-de-sac, this is the perfect home to raise your growing family and enjoy your entertaining lifestyle. Offers stunning views from most rooms and consists of over 2900 square feet of finished living space over two levels. There are two bedrooms up, and two bedrooms down including large family room with it's own entrance. Enjoy the comfort benefits of a gas fireplace (forced air gas furnace too!) while watching the evening sunsets. Other features include a bright open country style kitchen, oak flooring, and water view deck. Enjoy the multi-car driveway with room for the RV and boat. This special waterfront lot offers a great lifestyle opportunity!

Oceanfront opportunity! Brand new one-level waterfront home with private beach access, nestled among the stately residences of prestigious Lands End Road. This exceptional 3,000 square foot rancher offers sweeping views across the Salish Sea to Salt Spring Island and up to Cowichan Bay - an ever-changing backdrop of sunsets and marine activity. Designed for effortless living, the open-concept layout features 14 foot ceilings, efficient heating and cooling, a gourmet kitchen and luxurious primary retreat - all finished with elevated designer details. An expansive waterfront deck invites seamless indoor-outdoor living, while the three car garage will delight the automotive enthusiast. Enjoy over 90 feet of private ocean frontage with direct beach access. Built by a respected local builder and scheduled for completion in late 2026, this home offers peace of mind with a 2-5-10 New Home Warranty. Ideally located near marinas and the charming Sidney-by-the-Sea. Call today, for early buyer savings of up to $164,000.

Welcome to this 2024 constructed luxury modern waterfront estate in North Saanich, Vancouver Island. Set on 1.04 acres of superb low-bank oceanfront, this luxurious property offers privacy and stunning views across the Satellite Channel to Salt Spring Island's Mount Tuam Ecological Reserve. Voted best Kitchen (over $150k) & Bathroom (over $75k) at the Vancouver Island Building Industry Awards, the main residence spans 7,000 sqft, featuring four bedrooms, seven bathrooms, and a double attached garage. A zen garden with a water bowl and Japanese maple surrounds the entrance. Inside, floor-to-ceiling windows flood the main floor's open kitchen, dining, and living areas with natural light, leading to an outdoor patio. The kitchen is equipped with high-end Viking appliances, a Sub-Zero wine cooler, custom lighting and cabinetry, and a prep/pantry area for convenience. The upper level offers two primary suites with ocean-view balconies, walk-in closets, and luxe ensuites; one suite includes a private office. An exercise room, private bathroom, and laundry complete this floor. On the lower level, entertainment abounds with a home theatre, wet bar, indoor and outdoor kitchens, a guest bedroom, laundry, a heated patio, and access to a 350-sqft oceanfront deck. The 990-sqft guest house, located behind the main home, includes its own kitchen, two bedrooms, two bathrooms, laundry, and an expansive ocean view deck. A detached three-bay garage with a workshop and mezzanine provides ample storage and workspace. Equipped with Crestron Integrated Smart Home technology, a Step 5 energy-efficient rating, advanced heating and cooling systems, and comprehensive soundproofing, this home is both intuitive and eco-friendly. Minutes from BC Ferries Swartz Bay Terminal, Victoria International Airport, marinas, parks, and golf courses, this estate offers private, opulent waterfront living with easy access to recreation and amenities. Get in touch with us for an info package today!

Incredible five acre country estate in quiet, private and upscale Oldfield Valley setting! This exceptional 4413 square foot home offers four to five bedrooms, four bathrooms and beautifully upgraded/renovated spaces including expansive living, dining and family rooms, main level primary suite, oversized gourmet kitchen with breakfast area, huge family/games room with new deck and views to the ocean, gorgeous new hardwood floors, oversized windows, hi-end appliances and fixtures and so much more! Highlights include 450 square foot 'glass house' with heat pump, three-car garage, over 500 square feet of patio space, lovely covered gazebo with fireplace, multi-zone irrigation, orchard, solar heating option, multiple EV chargers, generator, plus an incredible 2000 square foot 'shop' with four bays, overheight doors, heat pump and tons of storage! The gently sloping west-facing property is sunny and private - just a short stroll from Farmer's markets with fresh local produce and minutes from Elk Lake trails, swimming/ boating, and lots of shops and amenities. Just 22 minutes from downtown Victoria yet a world away!

Experience true West Coast living in this stunning 2,693 square foot oceanfront home on a 0.35-acre lot in beautiful Genoa Bay. Enjoy breathtaking panoramic views from nearly every room and all three decks. With 1/3 ownership of a private dock with legal foreshore tenure, this property offers moorage for up to a 35 foot boat—perfect for boating enthusiasts. The main floor features vaulted ceilings, a cozy fireplace, dining area, and a kitchen with breakfast nook and deck access. Also on this level: a spacious bedroom, two-piece bath, and laundry. Upstairs, the primary suite boasts a five-piece ensuite and private deck access, while a second bedroom offers its own three-piece ensuite and shared deck access. The lower level is ideal for a family room, office, or studio, and includes two finished storage rooms and backyard access. Recent updates include a metal roof, windows, doors, gutters, and paint. Just a two-minute walk to Genoa Bay Marina, public beach, and the popular Genoa Bay Café.

Experience the pinnacle of coastal living in Unit 401 at The Rise on Fifth, a top-floor north-east corner penthouse with magnificent ocean and mountain views. Thoughtfully designed, this bright and airy residence offers an open concept layout filled with natural light. The gourmet kitchen features elegant quartz waterfall countertops and a built-in Fisher and Paykel appliance package. Step outside to a 777 sq ft deck with firepit, where breathtaking coastal scenery creates an unforgettable backdrop. Spa-inspired bathrooms include floating vanities, tiled walk-in showers and a deep soaker tub. Highlights include two secure parking stalls, energy-efficient heating and cooling, home automation, underground Klaus parking, storage lockers, bicycle storage and pet washing station. Residents enjoy a rooftop patio with commanding Haro Strait views and a short stroll to the beach and Sidneyâ??s vibrant downtown. Luxury, comfort and convenience come together beautifully in this exceptional home. (id:57238)

Oceanfront Masterpiece. An extraordinary, world class calibre home. Perfectly sited on 1.59 private acres with 625' of ocean frontage, the steel and concrete residence offers panoramic ocean and island views from floor-to-ceiling windows. A flybridge extends from the living area, delivering front-row seats to an 82' infinity pool perfectly aligned for sunrises over Mount Baker to glowing ocean sunsets. Inside, sustainable geothermal heating warms polished concrete floors while wood finishes give warm hues in floating stairs, inlaid floors and custom cabinetry. A deluxe main-floor primary retreat has sweeping vistas and a spa-like ensuite. Lower level features guest suites, media room, wine cellar and poolside gym with retractable glass doors for seamless access. Upstairs, a family room is a quiet escape. The gourmet kitchen opens to an outdoor BBQ area with man-made stream and waterfall for natural ambiance. Cascadia offers a seaside sanctuary near to all conveniences.

This waterfront estate embodies exceptional craftsmanship & timeless elegance, offering sweeping ocean vistas. Set on a private half-acre with 100 ft of pristine, low-bank waterfront, the home provides direct beach access from the professionally landscaped backyard. Each of the 4 bedrooms boasts stunning ocean views, w/ every room thoughtfully appointed with ensuite & WIC. The open-concept living, dining & kitchen areas are graced w/ soaring 11-ft coffered ceilings & dual nano doors, allowing for a seamless indoor-outdoor flow. The gourmet kitchen is a true centrepiece, featuring custom cabinetry, elegant stone countertops, top-of-the-line Fisher & Paykel appliances & well-appointed butler's pantry. This home also features a media room w/ a wet bar & covered patio perfect for alfresco dining. Additional highlights include a 3-car garage w/ showroom-quality epoxy flooring, extra-high ceilings & an automatic gate for enhanced privacy & security. (id:57238)

Offering timeless luxury perched on coveted Spirit Ridge, this classic Bear Mountain home is enriched with deep tones, stunning archways, high ceilings and impressive mountain and ocean views! The heart of the home, the kitchen, offers a striking oversized granite island, walkthrough butler’s pantry, abundance of Hobson Woodwork cabinetry, walk-in pantry and high-end appliances – Viking & Blue Star. Open-concept living and dining room open up to the expansive, South West facing, partly covered deck! Main-level primary suite offers the perfect serene escape with the additional nature views, a spacious walk-in closet and spa-like ensuite. Retreat to the lower level featuring home theatre room, perfect for a family movie night, wet bar with ample storage, walk-out patio and two generously sized guest bedrooms - A floorplan that lends itself to multi-generational families, teenagers (with separation), or simply a family looking for a fantastic home.

The Sky House—an executive-class residence in the prestigious Kingsview subdivision—is now complete and ready to welcome its first owners. Offering over 4,000 square feet of beautifully finished living space including a 722 square foot two-bedroom legal suite, and views to die for, this home delivers luxury, function, and income potential all in one. The main floor is anchored by the chef’s kitchen with walk-in butler’s pantry. The expansive island has a unique waterfall quartz countertop with a prep sink and seating for five. Top-end appliances, including a Dacor fridge and Electrolux induction range, bar fridge and dishwasher. Stunning cabinetry with face matched fridge, dishwasher and hood fan; tile backsplash with pot filler for convenience. The kitchen flows effortlessly to the dining and living room. The living room features herringbone engineered hardwood floors, gas fireplace with floor-to-ceiling tiled hearth and custom cabinetry, including a convenient computer station. The primary suite has custom integrated ceiling lighting a spa-inspired five-piece ensuite with a glass-walled shower, rain shower head and an automated smart toilet, and walk-in closet. Upstairs, three generous bedrooms (two with walk-in closets, one with its own ensuite) surround a spacious lounge/TV area, making it the perfect family hub. Sliding glass doors lead to the huge 12’ X 34’ deck with the extraordinary views and the striking cantilevered roof. The lower level offers a media/office room with custom wet bar and heated tile floors. There is also a three-piece bathroom with glass walled shower and access to the double garage. Also on the lower lever there is a fully self-contained two-bedroom legal suite with its own private entrance and in-suite laundry. With breathtaking views, high-end finishes throughout, a prime location near town and Maple Bay, and a thoughtfully designed legal suite, The Sky House is a rare opportunity to own one of Kingsview’s finest homes.

Extraordinary oceanfront. Set directly on the sandy shores of Cordova Bay, this striking Malibu-style residence is in a class of its own with panoramic ocean views from every principal room. Sandy Nygaard inspired the exceptional interiors in this smart home which blends architectural sophistication with effortless seaside living. Custom features include a river-rock stream, dramatic up-lit feature wall and unique liquid crystal front door. The chef-inspired kitchen features top-of-the-line appliances, expansive prep areas and abundance of storage. French doors from both the living room and kitchen flow seamlessly to the view deck. Offering four bedrooms, the home is designed for both comfortable living and entertaining. The lower level has two bedrooms and the generous gathering space for entertaining or family movie nights, opens directly to the oceanside fire pit terrace. Separate gym for the fitness enthusiast. An extraordinary waterfront offering in one of Victoria’s most coveted seaside settings.

Upscale waterfront oasis! This delightful seaside home has been beautifully renovated and upgraded throughout, offering a bright open-concept design and wonderful views! Located on a private, tree-lined, cul-de-sac, the home offers a peaceful setting with sunny south exposure and access to a sheltered sandy beach. Three bedrooms are located on the main level, and the generous living and dining spaces are highlighted by oversized windows, feature fireplace and access through double French doors out to the new deck areas. The spacious kitchen includes generous working spaces, upscale appliances, lovely built-ins and custom cabinetry. Downstairs the expansive lower level offers a flexible layout ideal for guests - or as a private self-contained two bedroom suite with ocean views and access to a sunny patio. A self-contained studio/office looks out to the ocean, as does the new top-of-the-line seaside sauna. This is a rare and special home with a huge wow factor that must been seen to be truly appreciated!

Welcome to Governors Point, a hidden waterfront gem and one of View Royal's most coveted addresses. Situated on picturesque Tovey Bay overlooking Esquimalt Harbour, this exclusive bare land strata community consists of only 11 custom residences in a private, sheltered waters-edge setting. This lot presents a rare opportunity to create a custom home in an established seaside neighbourhood where properties seldom become available. Governors Point offers a lifestyle that is both peaceful and connected. Residents enjoy direct access to the waterfront environment, perfect for kayaking, paddle boarding, shoreline walks, and appreciating the ever-changing coastal scenery. The community's sheltered location provides exceptional privacy while remaining only minutes from downtown Victoria, Vic General Hospital, Eagle Creek Village, schools, parks, and major transportation routes. Secure this building lot in one of View Royal's most sought-after waterfront neighbourhoods.

Waterfront, architecturally significant home on a private west facing cove off Esquimalt Harbour, designed by the Modernism and pioneer West Coast style architect Alan J. Hodgson. Sweeping curves, bold angles and a spectacular nautilus inspired central staircase. On main level the kitchen features warm wood cabinetry, granite countertops,walk-in pantry and laundry, flowing seamlessly into a sun-drenched dining room with floor-to-ceiling windows framing mature arbutus against the harbour water views. Living room has wood-burning fireplace and built-in shelving. Upstairs the primary suite captures the views and offers a deck, walk-in closet, ensuite bath with soaker tub and ocean views. Second bedroom has ensuite, walk-in closet and deck. Up again to a light-filled bedroom, studio or office. Main level garage. High crawl space for great storage. Direct beach access for swimming, kayaking and more. Artistic grounds honour indigenous flora with front yard lighting makes dusk at Bessborough something to behold.

Perched above Maple Bay with unobstructed ocean views, 977 Grandview is an architecturally designed home where bold design, natural beauty, and effortless living converge. From the moment you arrive, the home’s intention is clear: dark metal cladding, warm timber accents, and lush mature planting signal something special before you even step inside. The foyer makes an immediate impression, setting a tone of quality and intention that carries through every room. The open-plan main floor flows seamlessly from living to dining to kitchen: dark cabinetry, stone countertops, top-end stainless steel appliances, a generous island, floor-to-ceiling windows framing the ocean views and surrounding forest, and a sleek integrated fireplace anchoring the living space. Dining here, with natural light pouring through tall glass, is a daily pleasure. The primary suite is a true sanctuary: a sculpted slatted timber feature wall, a private fireplace, with French glass doors to the garden. The ensuite is spa-level; a freestanding soaking tub positioned to look directly into the forest canopy, dual dark vanities, and a generous walk-in shower. A dedicated home office with built-in shelving and floor-to-ceiling forest outlook completes the private wing. The gallery staircase is one of the home’s defining moments: floating timber treads, glass railings, and raw concrete walls that make the descent feel like moving through a private gallery. Below, the games room delivers; pool table under exposed timber beams, a dedicated bar with wine fridge, and a fireplace lounge. The owner’s snug is an intimate retreat, designed entirely for slowing down. Forest-view bedrooms occupy the quiet end of the lower floor, each with floor-to-ceiling glass to the trees. Multiple ocean-view decks offer fire pits & dining spaces, all oriented to Maple Bay. The garden deck is an architectural landscape: structured stone paving, and curated plantings. An exceptional home, waiting to be enjoyed by its new owners.

Spectacular south facing 5.75 acres with approximately 1200' of low bank shoreline. Settings like this are perhaps the most rare of all along the coast, and this property represents a remarkable opportunity for those with plans for creation of a new home in balance with its site. The scale, contours and outlooks welcome significant or simplistic architectural enhancements with equal ease. A very special place.

Three acre oceanfront home on Eleanor Point, richly crafted and sited to embrace a wonderous spectrum of views, nearly every room gazes upon nautical vistas of humbling dimension. Successfully combining a high level of function with beautiful form, the refined and casual beach house is a polite distance from ordinary. Wood, stone and glass unite in over 3,700 square feet with a floorplan as conducive to parties as it is to intimate conversation. A clear and defined separation of bedroom wings allow for a very private primary suite sequestered from the additional bedrooms located at the opposite end of the home. Perhaps the island's most magnificent southern point of land with 180 degree views stretching from Moresby Island to Russell Island with the Olympic Mountain Range and our own Mount Tuam just beyond.

Secluded Waterfront Retreat with Private Beach Access, Dock & Cottage! Tucked away in the trees on a stunning 0.86 acre waterfront lot, this private coastal retreat offers an unparalleled connection to nature with breathtaking ocean views and direct private beach access. From the moment you arrive, the sense of seclusion is undeniable...with winding paths, a canopy of mature trees, and expansive outdoor spaces that feel like your own private sanctuary. Inside, the home is a light-filled haven designed for comfort and connection. Oversized windows flood the two-storey layout with natural light, framing views of the water from nearly every angle. The sunken living room with a cozy wood-burning fireplace flows seamlessly into the formal dining room, open concept kitchen and charming built-in breakfast nook. Perfect for hosting or quiet mornings at home. Bay window benches offer the perfect spot for curling up with a book while taking in the ever-changing seascape. Step outside onto the expansive deck for family dining or morning coffee surrounded by nature. Thoughtfully designed with dual staircases connecting the front and back of the home, this property offers a unique layout for a growing family or guests. The spacious primary suite includes a huge ensuite bathroom, walk-in closet and its own access to the deck overlooking the ocean. The ultimate spot for stargazing or morning solitude. Coastal lifestyle perks include a brand new dock with boat moorage, a detached garage, charming cottage for guests or hobbies, a large storage shed, and generous parking for all your vehicles and toys. Whether you're entertaining, boating, or simply unwinding in quiet solitude, this property is a rare find that blends lifestyle and location in perfect harmony. This is truly West Coast living! (id:57238)

Secluded Waterfront Retreat with Private Beach Access, Dock & Cottage! Tucked away in the trees on a stunning 0.86 acre waterfront lot, this private coastal retreat offers an unparalleled connection to nature with breathtaking ocean views and direct private beach access. From the moment you arrive, the sense of seclusion is undeniable...with winding paths, a canopy of mature trees, and expansive outdoor spaces that feel like your own private sanctuary. Inside, the home is a light-filled haven designed for comfort and connection. Oversized windows flood the two-storey layout with natural light, framing views of the water from nearly every angle. The sunken living room with a cozy wood-burning fireplace flows seamlessly into the formal dining room, open concept kitchen and charming built-in breakfast nook. Perfect for hosting or quiet mornings at home. Bay window benches offer the perfect spot for curling up with a book while taking in the ever-changing seascape. Step outside onto the expansive deck for family dining or morning coffee surrounded by nature. Thoughtfully designed with dual staircases connecting the front and back of the home, this property offers a unique layout for a growing family or guests. The spacious primary suite includes a huge ensuite bathroom, walk-in closet and its own access to the deck overlooking the ocean. The ultimate spot for stargazing or morning solitude. Coastal lifestyle perks include a brand new dock with boat moorage, a detached garage, charming cottage for guests or hobbies, a large storage shed, and generous parking for all your vehicles and toys. Whether you're entertaining, boating, or simply unwinding in quiet solitude, this property is a rare find that blends lifestyle and location in perfect harmony. This is truly West Coast living! (id:57238)

Tucked in the trees on a 0.86 acre waterfront lot, this retreat offers an unparalleled connection to nature with breathtaking ocean views & direct beach access. The seclusion is undeniable w/ winding paths, a canopy of trees & outdoor spaces that feel like your own sanctuary. Oversized windows flood the 2-storey layout w/ natural light, framing water views from nearly every angle. The sunken living room w/ wood-burning fireplace flows into the formal dining, open kitchen & built-in breakfast nook. Bay window benches are perfect for curling up with a book & taking in the seascape. Step onto the expansive deck for family dining or morning coffee surrounded by nature. Thoughtfully designed w/ dual staircases, the layout suits family or guests. The spacious primary suite includes a huge ensuite, walk-in closet & its own deck access overlooking the ocean. Coastal perks include a new dock w/ boat moorage, detached garage, charming cottage for guests or hobbies, large shed & generous parking.

A rare island offering where privacy, design, and off-grid functionality converge. This Sidney Island retreat offers sweeping 180° ocean views and exceptional privacy. Bordered by a protected ecological reserve, the natural surrounding will remain untouched, ensuring peace, beauty, and tranquility for generations to come. The main residence blends character with relaxed comfort. Expansive sliding doors open to a generous wood deck, allowing ocean breezes to flow through the open-concept living space. Flexible accommodations include a cozy loft-style hideaway, a private guest room on the lower level, and a primary suite on the main floor. Multiple patios and a view-side balcony provide ideal settings for both entertaining and quiet reflection. Set at a thoughtful distance from the main home, a charming separate cabin offers the perfect guest space or kids’ retreat. For those seeking a turnkey experience, the property is available fully furnished. See the Feature Sheet for more info!