luxury houses for sale Saint-Pierre-des-Nids, France

The Lair real estate agency offers for sale a rare property: a stone house in the center of one of the most beautiful villages in France, currently consisting of two apartments and a restaurant. Living area of 180m²For more information, contact the agency at 02.43.30.11.30This description has been automatically translated from French.

Lair real estate agency offers for sale, exclusively, a very nice house with a basement located on the heights of Saint Léonard des Bois, a small town of character in the heart of the Alpes Mancelles. You will appreciate its superb view of the village and catch a glimpse of the river below.A few steps outside to access the house, where you will find on the ground floor an entrance, a furnished and equipped kitchen opening onto a very bright living room enhanced by a wood-burning insert, a 9m² bedroom with its bathroom, a toilet, and a pleasant veranda overlooking the garden.Upstairs, you will be charmed by two spacious bedrooms, one of which has a balcony, and a shower room.The property also offers an additional garage.For any inquiries or visits, please contact the agency at 02.43.30.11.30This description has been automatically translated from French.

The Lair real estate agency offers for sale a property of approximately 190m² built on a plot of over 4 hectares, isolated, surrounded by fields and forests, just a few minutes from the Alpes Mancelles; a charming hilly and green region.The house features a bright entrance on the ground floor, a living room of 50m² (with the possibility of expansion) enhanced by a fireplace, a furnished kitchen, a bedroom, an office, and a toilet. On the first floor, you will find 3 spacious bedrooms with a view of the countryside, covered in carpet, and a bathroom with a toilet. Attached is another small dwelling that can serve as a guesthouse, which includes a dining area, a sleeping space, a shower room, and a toilet. The property offers a large building of approximately 300m² in concrete and roofed, a cellar, a pantry, and an old cheese factory with an area of 80m² made of stone. The hectares surrounding the house are in pasture and have been managed organically for 35 years.Nature lovers will be delighted.For any information or visit, contact the agency at 02.43.30.11.30This description has been automatically translated from French.

The Lair real estate agency offers for sale, in the countryside, in a green environment, just 25 minutes from Alençon, a magnificent renovated property on 3600m² of land, featuring a swimming pool.The residence offers on the ground floor an entrance, a large laundry room, a spacious and very bright living area facing the garden, an integrated wine cellar in the living room, a furnished and equipped kitchen, and a master suite with shower and dressing room.On the first floor, a hallway leads to a landing, 4 bedrooms ranging from 10 to 16m², a shower room, and a toilet.Swimming pool with a sliding dome of 9x3.5 heated by a heat pump.For any information or visit, please contact the agency at 02.43.30.11.30. Covered parking outside.This description has been automatically translated from French.

Sophie LEMONNIER from the ALC Immobilière agency offers you two distinct spaces for sale: a reception room and a 19th century mansion in the heart of the Monts des Avaloirs, 2 hours from RENNES and MONT SAINT-MICHEL and 3 hours from PARIS . - A building of 322.97 m2 consisting of: * A reception room of 148.22 m2 with its open fireplace and parquet flooring, a fitted and equipped kitchen, a bathroom, two toilets. * Followed by a room of 136.32 m2 with its heated swimming pool of 4.00x9.00 m depth 1.80 m, a bathroom, a WC and its boiler room. - A 19th century mansion of 174.36 m2 consisting of: * On the ground floor: a living room/living room of 38.04 m2, a fitted and equipped kitchen of 19.29 m2 and an office. * On the 1st floor: a corridor leading to a dressing room of 7.62 m2, two bedrooms of 13.32 m2 and 14.83 m2, a bathroom of 4.89 m2 and a bedroom of 17.67 m2 with its private shower room. * On the 2nd floor: a corridor leading to three bedrooms of 12.16 m2, 11.46 m2 and 11.12 m2, a bathroom with WC of 5.95 m2 and a WC. * A basement consisting of a boiler room, a cellar of 5.35 m2 and a laundry room of 22.96 m2. A garage of 51.15 m2 which can accommodate 6 cars, three workshops of 29.42 m2, 22.56 m2 and 51.15 m2 and an outbuilding of 86.06 m2 with wooden frame. All on enclosed grounds of 2930 m2 planted with shrubs and fruit trees. Door frames: double glazing Covers: in slates and zinc Heating: oil boiler and wood fireplace. LAND: 1820? Information on the risks to which this property is exposed is available on the Géorisks website: ' www.georisks.gouv.fr'. For a visit, contact your advisor Sophie LEMONNIER on 06 83 81 79 96 / 02 61 72 05 56 or by email: [email protected] / [email protected] RSAC 524 577 251 - Card issued by CCI Portes de Normandie . Advertisement written and published by a sales agent You can find all our properties on our website www.alcimmobilier.com

Come discover this beautiful property located 15 minutes from the Alpes Mancelles, 10 minutes from the A28, and 3 minutes from the shops in Fresnay sur Sarthe. Entry into a 49m² living area with a furnished and equipped kitchen overlooking the countryside, a 12m² bedroom, a shower room, independent WC, and laundry room. A large very bright room of 115m² with double exposure needs to be finished renovating (flooring and decor). Upstairs: an 18m² bedroom with dressing area and master suite, plus two additional bedrooms complete the floor. Independent studio of 32m² with external access. Various outbuildings. Forested land of 4335m². This real estate ad was drafted under the editorial responsibility of Philippe CLOUD, Agence bonne-étoile, RSAC: 333 692 028. Tel: 06 81 75 48 00. Fees included of 3.33% to be paid by the buyer. Price excluding fees: 270,000 €. Energy class C, Climate class A. Estimated average annual energy expenses for standard use, based on energy prices for the year 2021: between 1090.00 and 1530.00 €. Information on the risks to which this property is exposed is available on the Géorisques website: georisques.gouv.fr. Your BONNE ETOILE IMMOBILIER advisor: Philippe Cloud, Commercial agent (Individual company). Information on the risks to which this property is exposed is available on the Géorisques website: www.georisques.gouv.frThis description has been automatically translated from French.

Alençon - City center - Highly sought-after area, close to shops, schools, and amenities - Magnificent fully renovated town house offering an entrance hall, fitted kitchen open to the living-dining room, and a toilet. Upstairs, a bedroom with a dressing room, a shower room, a master suite with a dressing room and a bathroom, and another bedroom. Garage with electric door and cellar. Enclosed garden. Central heating powered by city gas. VERY RARE for SALE. Information about the risks to which this property is exposed is available on the Géorisques website: www.georisques.gouv.fr - Energy performance diagnosis was carried out on 11.09.2024 and is classified E257 and GES E55 - The estimated annual energy costs for the home range between 2,490 euros and 3,420 euros - Average energy prices indexed to the years 2021, 2022, and 2023. (subscriptions included). For more details, visit www.kotemaison.com or contact the Kôté Maison agency - Les Ateliers de l'immobilier at 42, rue Saint Blaise in Alençon - Tel: 02.33.29.00.00 - Publication published under the responsibility of Mr. Lionel GUICHETEAU Commercial agent registered with the R.S.A.C of Le Mans under number 918809112 Individual enterprise – RCP Allianz AlençonThis description has been automatically translated from French.

Your Lair Immobilier agency in Alençon offers for sale this magnificent residence, located in the heart of Alençon, in a calm and very sought-after area, close to all shops, amenities, and a park. This charming master house will surely captivate you. Its ground floor consists of an entrance with a beautiful staircase (the central element of the house), leading to the right to a living room with parquet flooring, custom bookshelves, a marble fireplace, and moldings, to the left a lounge with a marble fireplace and parquet flooring, as well as a fitted kitchen with access to its wooden terrace, and a toilet. The first floor offers three beautiful and spacious bright bedrooms, including a master suite with its dressing room and private shower room, along with a bathroom made of high-quality materials, featuring a built-in bathtub with a lovely view of the garden and a shower, toilet. On the second floor, you will find three more bedrooms, one of which has a private shower room. In the basement, there are cellars and a boiler room. This house, with numerous authentic details like door handles, moldings, parquet flooring, and fireplaces, will provide you with all the expected comfort. Completely enclosed by stone walls, its landscaped garden of approximately 1237m² completes this property with its paved courtyard, as well as a stone outbuilding housing two garages and a barn (former stable), which has very interesting potential. To discover this property with charm and high-quality features, contact our Lair Immobilier agency without delay at 02 33 28 20 20.This description has been automatically translated from French.

Ref. 4097: Elegant mansion for sale at the gates of the Mayenne. This elegant bourgeois house is located in the Pays de Loire in the beautiful region of the Normandie-Maine Regional Nature Park, on the borders of the departments of Orne and Sarthe. We are in Mayenne in the 'Pays de Pail', a preserved tourist land where the well-named 'Alpes Mancelles' are visible, a site renowned and appreciated for its listed natural setting and picturesque sites. Numerous sporting, cultural and tourist activities are available (greenway/fishing/hunting/hiking/paramedics...the beautiful forests of Pail and Multonne...the village of Saint-Céneri-le-Gérei, elected one of the 'most beautiful villages in France' /the mount of the avaloirs/the cornice of Pail...). This property, due to its urban location, enjoys the immediate proximity of the amenities of an active medium-sized town of almost 2,000 inhabitants, also benefiting from quality road links allowing rapid access to the Orne prefecture of Alençon. Situated away from the commercial activity and protected by its high perimeter walls, this family home is sheltered from view and has a green and pleasantly landscaped environment offering numerous development options. The house dates back to 1860 and was the well-known residence of many local notables. With its annexes located nearby, it was the cradle of the company 'la cuisine Française', whose reputation as a carpenter and cabinetmaker whose reputation as a journeyman carpenter and cabinetmaker now extends far beyond our borders. In 2019/2020, the current owners acquired this property, which was then neglected and in need of a serious overhaul. New projects lead them to move to .... The property is of a very classic 19th century architectural construction, cubic in shape, with a harmonious rear turret breaking the perfect symmetry of the whole. Built in the typical 'limed Roussard stone' of the region, and covered with an original slate roof in the shape of a tortoise shell, the whole is adorned with gutters and 2 'bull's eyes' borrowed from the 18th century. Built on a full basement, the house is arranged on 3 levels, as follows: *Basement: including a large room with no specific current use, allowing for any development project or habitability for a surface area of 23 sqm (not included in the ECD measurement). Boiler room/oil tank/wine cellar/pump for the well. *Ground floor: Central entrance by a stone staircase slightly raising the ground floor by 5 steps. Small access corridor opening onto a large room with stone fireplace (38 m²) serving as a living/dining room (parquet floor) with central axis (cement tiles) leading to the turret. Clearance giving access on the left to a small carpeted boudoir (4.70 sqm); on the right to a large kitchen (cabochon tiles) perfectly equipped (19 sqm) - access to the outside. Conveniences with washbasin. Wooden staircase leading to the upper floors. *First floor: central landing with parquet flooring leading to a children's bedroom (7.5 sqm), a bedroom with marble fireplace and cupboard (15 sqm), another bedroom/office with fireplace and adjoining shower room-WC. Separate bathroom (7.80 sqm) with double washbasin. Access to the second floor; *2nd floor: central landing comprising on the left a small carpeted bedroom with access to the attic; on the right a separate bathroom/WC (parquet floor). In the centre, access to a small corridor leading to 2 bedrooms of about 11 m² each, one of which has cupboards. Ceiling heights between 2.45 and 2.75 m for the ground and first floors. The whole represents a living area of approx. 154 sqm (excluding the basement room). Away from the main house is an imposing building made of limed breeze-block under steel sheeting, built and fitted out for the cabinet-making activities of 'la cuisine Française'. Starting from the south (road side), one discovers in succession : *Extra-mural parking for 2 cars. *Large double garage (tiled/electrical) for 2 cars. *Closed box used as a workshop. *Awnings for 6 cars. *Large living space of 159 sqm with fireplace (parquet) / 2 toilets / Kitchen; Insulation and heating. *Large pool area of 139 sqm paved, with pool 8x4m, depth between 1.10 and 1.40m, heated. Shower and WC area. *Technical room containing the pool machinery and the boiler room (old Dietrich boiler) - Dehumidifier for heating the pool area. *In return to the square, storage room of 30 sqm. It is flat, well maintained and pleasantly landscaped. A few trees stand here and there, alongside beautiful fruit trees (apple, cherry and plum). Numerous shrubs, hedges, boxwood and other topiaries complete the picture. Roses, camellias, rhododendrons, forsythia give the note of colour… The park is completely enclosed by stone walls of about 2m, in very good condition, ensuring discretion and security. Several terraces are suitable for privacy or for the benevolent gaze of the sun… A touch of nature ... in the city, with a surface area of 2930 sqm. Cabinet LE NAIL - Lower Normandy - Mr Eric DOSSEUR : +33 (0)2.43.98.20.20

Ref.4466 : french house for sale in Normandy in a beautiful park. The property is located in Normandy in the heart of the Normandie-Maine Regional Nature Park, between the Sarthoises and Percheronnes regions, in the immediate vicinity of the prefecture of Alençon, to which it is attached as part of the Communauté Urbaine. It therefore benefits from all the administrative, economic and commercial facilities of a town of 25,000 inhabitants. Local shops are less than 2 km away. Motorway access is on the doorstep of the property, making it a real crossroads for communications between Paris, Brittany, Rouen and Touraine. Although set away from civilisation, this country manor house has both the advantages and disadvantages associated with its half-urban/half-country profile, which everyone will be able to accommodate according to their priorities and requirements. The challenges and objectives of modern civilisation have always made everyday life easier, sometimes to the detriment of heritage preservation. This property is a perfect example of the compromise required to accept the reminder of the sounds of civilisation, but which fortunately nature knows how to attenuate with its luxuriant vegetation. In the heart of exceptional parkland, this property will prove to be an indisputably large and beautiful family home... The entire property provides approx. 485 sqm of living space, distributed as follows: Basement: small, partial cellar used as a wine cellar. Ground floor: central entrance hall (14.5 sqm) opening on to an oak stairway with wrought iron balusters and tiled steps. On the left, dining room (26 sqm) with fireplace; on the right, small living room (34 sqm) with fireplace. South-facing hallway with separate toilet leading to a large living room (42 sqm) with monumental stone fireplace, exposed joists and tiled floor. Adjoining, access to a shower room, installed in anticipation of a need to live on the ground floor; A wooden staircase leads upstairs to a TV/reading room. On the north side, large kitchen (27 sqm) with Lacanche piano and marble double sink and worktop. Stone fireplace with an old rotisserie in working order. Study to follow (15 sqm), with granite fireplace, forming an overmantel. Separate WC and corridor leading to a boiler room. Internal access to the large outbuilding where a vast, multi-purpose reception room (90 sqm) has just been designed and converted. Exposed joists - tiled floor - lime-tiled walls - Heating by pellet stove. 1st floor: south-facing landing leading to a large bedroom (30 sqm) with fireplace; a private bathroom (15 sqm) - terracotta tiled floor - double washbasin; TV/reading room (35 sqm) - Exposed timbers - Carpeting - Staircase leading down to the large living room. North side corridor leading to 3 bedrooms (13, 15 and 16 sqm); an independent shower room (6.50 sqm) / a bathroom (7 sqm) - wc. Landing with staircase leading down to the study and access to an attic, possibly suitable for conversion. 2nd floor: central landing (8 sqm), leading to the left to a bedroom to the south (24 sqm) / a bedroom with toilet and wc to the north (34 sqm). Most of the rooms on the ground and first floors have high ceilings, between 2.66 and 2.86 m. The outbuildings comprise 1) A large stone outbuilding under tiles comprising two vast spaces of 109 and 121 sqm, currently used as a garage and storeroom. Fibre-reinforced concrete floor. Electricity. Large, high, double-leaf door allowing the entry of high vehicles or equipment. Possible exits to the north and south. 2) A stone cottage under tiles, officially used as a garage and workshop. The size and configuration of this small building suggest that it could be converted into a caretaker's cottage, subject to a few modifications. The grounds have been laid out in a perfectly ordered English-style parkland style, with a variety of landscapes and viewpoints. A beautiful, deep lawn faces the property, drawing the eye away to give an impression of controlled nature. Slightly below, two bodies of water (one measuring 35,000 sqm), fed by springs, are self-regulating, much to the delight of ducks and moorhens. It is said that there is no shortage of fish... A belt of trees of all species, most of them two-hundred years old, ensures the intimacy of the estate and almost makes you forget that we are only on … 12.80 acres (5ha 18a 36ca). The grounds are well maintained, so you can walk, ride or drive around them! A large vegetable garden completes the picture and is waiting to be brought back to life. An original brick greenhouse stands alongside the many fruit trees that back onto the high stone walls on the roadside. The beauty of the grounds, the good general condition and the rare potential of this property will leave no one indifferent; May you find the ideal property you've been dreaming of for so long... Cabinet LE NAIL - Lower-Normandy - Mr Eric DOSSEUR : +33 (0)2.43.98.20.20 Eric DOSSEUR, Individual company, registered in the Special Register of Commercial Agents, under the number 409 867 512 . We invite you to visit our website Cabinet Le Nail to browse our latest listings or learn more about this property.

Votre agence Lair Immobilier d'Alençon vous propose cette très belle propriété, composée de deux maisons en pierre et d'une grange, sur environ 1,2 hectares de terrain clos de lisses en bois, située à 5km du centre-ville d'Alençon. Elle se compose d'une maison principale d'habitation d'environ 155m², 'style gentilhommière' entièrement rénovée, mais ayant conservé toute son authenticité avec ses tomettes, ses poutres et ses pierres apparentes, qui offre au rez-de-chaussée une pièce de vie, un salon, une salle à manger et une grande cuisine, coin buanderie et WC. Au premier étage un palier avec espace bureau dessert une chambre parentale avec grand dressing, une salle d'eau avec WC. Au second vous trouverez 2 chambres et un coin salle de bains - WC. A l'extérieur une grande terrasse avec pergola et vue sur le jardin arboré et sans nuisance. Vous trouverez ensuite une grande longère d'environ 120m², à usage de gîte, qui se compose d'une pièce de vie principale avec cuisine ouverte, et accès à la terrasse en bois à l'arrière et de 5 chambres et 1 mezzanine (rendement locatif conséquent et à développer). Enfin, une grange avec toiture récente. Le tout sur un magnifique terrain sans vis-à-vis, arboré, paisible et clos. Découvrez sans tarder cet havre de paix, à 2 pas d'Alençon, en parfait état. Pour plus d'informations, contactez notre agence au 02 33 28 20 20.

Your Lair Immobilier agency in Alençon offers you exclusively this very beautiful town house, charming and atypical, perfectly located in a quiet area in the center of Alençon, with immediate access to shops, schools, buses, and the train station.Comfortable thanks to its 170m² of living space, it offers beautiful living areas. The entrance on the ground floor opens to a first living room, giving access to the well-equipped kitchen, then to the bright living room with access to the garden and the master bedroom (including a dressing room, private bathroom with toilet, and access to the terrace). A pantry and a workshop complete the property.The garden, with Tuscan notes, landscaped and enclosed, will allow you to enjoy the outdoors away from prying eyes. It consists of three levels: a terrace, a garden, and a rooftop. You will also find a wooden outbuilding to store all your essentials.The upstairs consists of an area with a bedroom and an office (which could form a master suite or two beautiful bedrooms), another large bedroom with a dressing room and a view of the garden, a new shower room with toilet, and a large room used as an office but which could accommodate a bedroom with a private bathroom and independent access to the garden.Let yourself be seduced by this house with numerous assets and refined decoration, and contact our agency to discover it at 02 33 28 20 20.This description has been automatically translated from French.

Close to Alençon, hidden from view - Charming residence, bright and offering generous volumes with spa and heated swimming pool including an entrance hall, fitted and equipped dining kitchen open to the dining area providing access to the terrace and offering a lovely view of the pool, dining room enhanced by an original fireplace, living room with a billiards area of 60m² (former classroom) with an XL wood stove, 2 bedrooms, shower room, toilet, and laundry room. Upstairs, a bedroom with shower room and toilet, a bedroom offering a beautiful panoramic view with shower room and toilet, another bedroom and toilet. Convertible attic. Wine cellar and boiler room. 2 shelters. Very large terraces with arbor, palm trees, perfectly landscaped garden. Other outbuildings and pool house. Paved courtyard. Connection to fiber optics. Idyllic place. - For more details, visit www.kotemaison.com or contact the agency Kôté Maison - Les Ateliers de l'immobilier at 42, rue Saint Blaise in Alençon - Tel: 02.33.29.00.00 - Information about the risks to which this property is exposed is available on the Géorisques site: www.georisques.gouv.fr - The energy performance diagnosis (DPE) was completed on 05.09.2023 and is classified D192 and GES C11 - The estimated annual energy costs for the housing range between €2,520 and €3,480 - Average energy prices indexed as of January 1, 2021 (subscriptions included). Living area: 246m².This description has been automatically translated from French.

Your Lair Immobilier agency in Alençon offers you this very beautiful contemporary house for sale, in the heart of a wood, 5 minutes from Alençon, in a privileged area.It is accessed by a private paved path lined with large oak trees. At the end of this driveway, you will find a modern house with high-quality amenities, all on one level, which offers a lovely living space open to the outside with a dining area and a fitted kitchen. In the 'parental wing,' there is a lounge with access to the terrace, a large bedroom with a dressing room, and an ensuite bathroom. In the other wing, there are 2 large bedrooms, each with a dressing room and access to terraces, an office, and a bathroom with an Italian shower.The lower part of the house includes garages with automatic doors, a laundry room, a fitted room, and a cellar.All set on a superb wooded and enclosed plot, perfectly maintained and free from disruption, of approximately 3.6 hectares, with access to walking paths via a pathway.To discover this rare property for sale, contact our agency without delay; you can also find the filmed visit on our YouTube page.Lair Immobilier Alençon Grande rue: 02 33 28 20 20.This description has been automatically translated from French.

Your Lair Immobilier agency in Alençon offers you this beautiful architect-designed house, well-built, located 3 km from the city center of Alençon, in a privileged area, benefiting from double access. This comfortable house of approximately 210m² offers on the ground floor a beautiful entrance leading to the living room with a fireplace and dining area, a fitted and equipped kitchen opening onto a wooden terrace, a back kitchen/laundry room, a shower room with an Italian shower and double sink, three bedrooms with closets and a toilet. Upstairs, the hallway leads to 3 beautiful bedrooms with closets, a bathroom, a toilet, and two attics. The complete basement has two large garages with an automatic door, a workshop area, a cellar, and storage spaces. The garden of approximately 1870m² is perfectly maintained, enclosed, and landscaped, with an outbuilding for sharing convivial moments with its fireplace, kitchen, and bar.This description has been automatically translated from French.

Your Lair Immobilier agency in Alençon exclusively offers for sale this superb authentic building, special for rental investment and heritage, with exceptional architecture, located in the heart of Alençon, benefiting from 2 access points.With a total area of over 750m² of living space, it consists of 9 main lots including 6 apartments ranging from 18 to 124 m², and 3 offices from 130 to 278m², with the possibility of converting these 3 lots into multiple apartments, all distributed over 3 levels.You will also find 6 cellars, as well as 19 private parking spaces, located at the back of the building in a private courtyard.Its authenticity, charm, and superb architecture make it a rare building for sale.For more information, contact our agency at 02 33 80 65 65.This description has been automatically translated from French.

Your Lair Immobilier agency in Alençon offers for sale this elegant residence, located in a historic district of downtown Alençon, close to cultural buildings (library, grain hall, Château des Ducs ..), and at the foot of all amenities.How can one resist the charm of this private hotel, with its atypical design, which has managed to preserve its period features in perfect condition, including parquet floors, fireplaces, tiles, moldings... all while having benefited from a warm refreshment.Its comfortable living area of approximately 210m² consists on the ground floor of an entrance with a stone staircase, featuring on one side a living room, and on the other side, a dining room followed by a fitted and equipped kitchen (second staircase).On the first floor, you will find a beautiful bedroom with its office, its dressing room, and its private bathroom, as well as two bedrooms with shower rooms, toilets, and private dressing rooms.On the second floor, there is, on one side, a fourth bedroom with a shower room and toilet, and an area left to be developed according to your desires, allowing the creation of new bedrooms or spaces.Cellar in part.Outbuilding with boiler room and garage.All on a perfectly maintained garden, offering beautiful rose bushes and other trees, fully enclosed and sheltered from view, and a courtyard space for your cars.For more information, contact our Lair Immobilier agency without delay at 02 33 28 20 20.This description has been automatically translated from French.

A renovated 19th century farmhouse, wooded garden and meadow in the ancient Houlme region, near Domfront and Flers. A 10-minute walk from the hamlet of Val-Michel with its traditional cob and wood or granite houses, a small, quiet, winding road leads to the entrance to the old farmhouse. A fence with two round wooden rails has a plain gate, which opens onto a courtyard and its lime tree. A green hedge planted with a variety of species follows the shape of the hilly area surrounding the garden. Inside the courtyard are the house and an old cowshed, which faces a barn and an old stable.